No, Shinobu is... she chose to allow herself to die over killing someone else. It does not bring her any comfort.
[ he has to think about it. ]
I think that the majority of us would do it if we have to. Many likely already have, statistically speaking. But I do trust that if any of those people are put into that situation, if they do kill, it isn't because they want to. And that really is as much trust as you can have in someone in a place like this. That they are working towards the best path for the group at large.
[Hmmmm. He really has too much of the worst of Gotham in him to agree, but he'll take it into consideration maybe. About both Shinobu and the group.
He's really got trust issues here, listen.]
I think you and me come from some very different places. [For every Batman--hell, every Batkid--there's at least three assholes from the Rogues' Gallery.] You really think the ones running this joint are going to just let us all get along? Work together?
Then... we will save the hostages, and everyone here. Simple, right?
[ it's not simple at all. ]
I'm sure people will fight and hate each other. But at the end of the day, remember that the enemy is whoever brought us here, not your fellow captives.
[His pessimism is about to fist-fight this Tsuru's optimism in the Denny's parking lot.]
Yeah, well, it's not hard to make a pretty good assumption how it's going to go after we've already been through this once. [Pointedly:] Some of us several.
I mean, there has to be some end goal here, right? They can't just have us "entertain" them forever, or else that defeats the purpose of even having hostages. There's no point in rescuing them if it never ends.
I think you slightly underestimate how sociopaths might work sometimes. [Thinking about....................the Joker.] Sometimes, they're in for the long con.
[Not that he knows whether or not the people who did this are sociopaths, but IT'S LIKELY. Also thinking about the Robowest and Tiki aliens...]
I think we should get proof first. That there are even any hostages here.
[ tsuru was about to say that if they find a sociopath they will just stab them, but he stops himself because that probably won't help jason's view on swords. it's fine. ]
That's true, we really only have whatever that was before we woke up here... and these places are known to manipulate feelings and memories...
[That's okay... If there was a sociopath, Jason would immediately shoot them himself too, so maybe this is the single instance of where Jason and swords converge together in the bloodlust.
Wish Jason would stop being petty about the swords when he is just as bad.]
Memories? [OH N] They've screwed around with more than just tossing you outside and letting someone hunt you down?
Oh, no. I think I would actually prefer if that was the case?
Basically, every Thursday evening someone would be killed-- the reasoning seems to differ from place to place. At the village, it was possession. At the camp, certain people were tasked with it. Friday we would find the body, and then on Saturday we'd have a trial. And then throughout the weeks there may be odd things that occur that would mess with you.
Lucky you. [He does not say this like he thinks Tsuru is actually lucky.] Even less of a fan of possession than I am people having their arms twisted to hunt us like animals.
[After this, though, he will probably prefer the hunt style maybe. Who knows.]
We just got tossed into the jungle every night, hoping it wasn't our turn to get hunted by two people and some dogs. If you didn't show up for breakfast in the morning, you were probably dead, and we'd dig around for your body as a lunchtime adventure. Then we'd have dinner and a show later where we pointed fingers at each other and prayed we picked the right person.
Then, you know, someone would be picked to kill them over the dinner table before we got sent back out again.
One of the important parts of the start is to try to get information, since it's easy to assume that the final conditions will just be the same as before. It would be bad if someone just started slaughtering everyone because they thought it was needed, and then it turns out it's actually the opposite.
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[ they're all sweall, ignoring the murder, ]
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Lucky you. You're worse off for it, unless they've earned your ire. You've got a hostage and other people to worry about, huh?
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Yes, it's terrible! But at the very least, they're all dependable. And I do not know someone who wants to help others as much as Shinobu does.
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[Just for the record, Grandpa 2. Jason gets the biggest naughty Bat vibes from the smiles that don’t reach her eyes.]
You think you can trust them?
[It’s a genuine question, not a diss.]
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[ he has to think about it. ]
I think that the majority of us would do it if we have to. Many likely already have, statistically speaking. But I do trust that if any of those people are put into that situation, if they do kill, it isn't because they want to. And that really is as much trust as you can have in someone in a place like this. That they are working towards the best path for the group at large.
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He's really got trust issues here, listen.]
I think you and me come from some very different places. [For every Batman--hell, every Batkid--there's at least three assholes from the Rogues' Gallery.] You really think the ones running this joint are going to just let us all get along? Work together?
That's what the hostages are for.
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[ it's not simple at all. ]
I'm sure people will fight and hate each other. But at the end of the day, remember that the enemy is whoever brought us here, not your fellow captives.
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[It'd feel too much like arguing with Bruce or Dick, so he just gives up immediately. We'll save the hostages and everyone here. Haha. Okay.]
You don't have to tell me twice. But we're supposed to be entertainment. I don't expect them not to muddy the waters.
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[ again! simple! ]
Right now there really are just too many unknowns to try to guess how it'll go.
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[His pessimism is about to fist-fight this Tsuru's optimism in the Denny's parking lot.]
Yeah, well, it's not hard to make a pretty good assumption how it's going to go after we've already been through this once. [Pointedly:] Some of us several.
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[ LIKE. he knows this. he has been through this twice people are 100% going to be fucking murdered. ]
But we still don't know what's going to start it.
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[They are metaphorically slap fighting.]
I mean. Probably the hostages I'm guessing.
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There a lot of potential scenarios here, Jason Todd.
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But is that going to even matter when the outcome will be the same? Someone is going to die, and then we are going to kill whoever did it.
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I mean, there has to be some end goal here, right? They can't just have us "entertain" them forever, or else that defeats the purpose of even having hostages. There's no point in rescuing them if it never ends.
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[Not that he knows whether or not the people who did this are sociopaths, but IT'S LIKELY. Also thinking about the Robowest and Tiki aliens...]
I think we should get proof first. That there are even any hostages here.
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That's true, we really only have whatever that was before we woke up here... and these places are known to manipulate feelings and memories...
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Wish Jason would stop being petty about the swords when he is just as bad.]
Memories? [OH N] They've screwed around with more than just tossing you outside and letting someone hunt you down?
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Basically, every Thursday evening someone would be killed-- the reasoning seems to differ from place to place. At the village, it was possession. At the camp, certain people were tasked with it. Friday we would find the body, and then on Saturday we'd have a trial. And then throughout the weeks there may be odd things that occur that would mess with you.
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Lucky you. [He does not say this like he thinks Tsuru is actually lucky.] Even less of a fan of possession than I am people having their arms twisted to hunt us like animals.
[After this, though, he will probably prefer the hunt style maybe. Who knows.]
We just got tossed into the jungle every night, hoping it wasn't our turn to get hunted by two people and some dogs. If you didn't show up for breakfast in the morning, you were probably dead, and we'd dig around for your body as a lunchtime adventure. Then we'd have dinner and a show later where we pointed fingers at each other and prayed we picked the right person.
Then, you know, someone would be picked to kill them over the dinner table before we got sent back out again.
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... I guess that is not really a lot of time to make lasting friendships despite the turbulent times.
[ since it does not sound like they got to have neat parties. ]
How long were you there for?
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[He made friends, but he refuses to admit this.]
A week or so.
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[ he doesn't sound like he actually believes that though. ]
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[...]
Not sure if you want to speedrun the murder and mayhem only to find out you are all dead to begin with, and your souls are being judged.
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One of the important parts of the start is to try to get information, since it's easy to assume that the final conditions will just be the same as before. It would be bad if someone just started slaughtering everyone because they thought it was needed, and then it turns out it's actually the opposite.
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